INTERVIEW WITH ALEKSANDRA MIR
By Guri Kulaas

Klassekampen, Oslo, 5/23/1998


How did you come up with the idea, why a cinema for the unemployed?

It started with a joke. After seeing Titanic, I told somebody close that 'things could have been worse' But I had also been occupied by the thought of how differently unemployment is perceived by people; as a tragedy for some, and as a break from responsibility for others.

Have you prepared anything else in the cinema apart from the screenings?

There will be posters and information materials from the local unemployment office as part of their sponsor agreement. And the management of Tivoli Amfi will also keep the bar open at all times, as part of the deal to use the theatre. I will agree to whatever it takes to get the project off the ground, but I also look forward to new, unexpected results that this could bring. The printed matter from the unemployment office happens to depict various administrative disasters (a guy sinking on his desk, in a pile of applications). And who knows what such access to beer could lead to?

What is your role during the screenings?

To be a good hostess. I am actually employed by the project. Someone has to keep an eye on practical things, make sure that the films are running and clean up.

Although art today is developing in new directions, and is stepping out of the gallery space, yours is quite an unusual approach. It is project based, interactive and only exists for a brief amount of time. Why have you chosen this form of expression?

None of these formal elements are particularly new, and I find it a bit embarrassing that my generation is gaining credit for something that is as accessible to us as blue paint. Ephemerality and site specificity is not very dramatic at all in the 90's but were supposingly radical means of expression in the 60's, initiated and fueled by an ideological resistance to art as commodity. What may perhaps be the most interesting thing about these art forms today, is on one hand our nostalgia for a time that seems so much more saturated with seductive ideas, but on the other hand, our ignorance for what they were actually implying, since we have seen the whole thing come full circle. It is a well known fact that some of the most gallery resistant practitioners and works, have left us with relics to cherish, exhibit and trade. For me, to choose this model of working is a much more lifestyle oriented decision. I travel a lot. I don't have a studio. I don't like carrying luggage or paying for storage. But wherever I am, I spend at least eight hours a day on the computer or by the phone. And I document everything I do excessively, to ensure its historical value—like a tourist.

How do you develop new projects, what challenges and inspires you?

I am motivated by existing conflict in my daily surrounding. If such a thing as 'unemployment' has at least two possible directions; tragedy and leisure, I know it can function in an art project and lead onto new meanings and revelations.

Your work also seems to have a social agenda. You create artistic situations where you stimulate thought in the viewer and maybe also social actions. That is almost a subversive project where you explore power structures, in particular male power structures (as in 'Life is Sweet in Sweden'), if but in a playful way.

As mentioned, I am motivated by existing conflict. That is something that a traditional discourse on gender is filled with and I can use that. But I am not interested in using art for 'subversive reasons' per se. It would be very boring art if it just stopped there, and it would mean I would have to decide on knowing things that I don't know. But I am equally happy to test well know subversive strategies, only to see them fail, or lead to new, unexpected forms of subversion. To keep the ball in the air, is the political purpose of art, the way I see it.

What is the relationship between your 'voice' as an artist, and the interactive part in your work where the audience engages in the artwork?

I think that my concrete job as an artist is to come up with an idea that has the strength to evolve around itself and that will engage me in contemporary society. Thereafter, it is all a question of productive circumstance and I become Pr-person, a fundraiser, a secretary, a hostess, a producer, a cleaning lady,—any role that the project will demand of me. In the same way, the audience has a choice according to their own interests and predispositions to become part of the project at any level. Some people will at a given moment be more engaged at the center of it than others. That's OK. Next day, this may change. I don't believe in a clean, unpolluted encounter. So situations like these are complex, but it doesn't mean they can't be broken down into agents: viewers of the films, viewers of the show, viewers of the viewers—everyone gets their piece of the cake. When I work in such a media exposed situation as momentum, (the project has been previewed by four publications already before it has even starts), I assume a lot of people are in the cinema for art-fetishistic reasons, but I hope that the idea can hold out even for that kind of consumption.

What results do you expect from the Cinema for the Unemployed project?

That it will lead me to new ideas and new opportunities to realize them.

And what are you planning next?

I have some ideas for monumental sculpture, but I'll have to wait for the means to do that. In the meanwhile, I'll be collecting butterflies.